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	<title>Comments on: You Be The Judge: Dual Agency vs. Buyer Agent</title>
	<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: You Be The Judge: Time of the Essence Closing Date</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-223163</link>
		<dc:creator>You Be The Judge: Time of the Essence Closing Date</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-173146</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-173146</guid>
		<description>I can't believe some are still defending the right for a single agent to write two offers on the same house.  One buyer loses but agent wins either way does not seem right to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe some are still defending the right for a single agent to write two offers on the same house.  One buyer loses but agent wins either way does not seem right to me.</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172881</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the scenario you suggest certainly can, and does, happen, Norm. 
So yes, I would spell it out in the buyer rep agreement
Disclosure in the contract will provide some insulation, probably enough to discourage a suit.  Since the Court was split, anything that can be construed as full disclosure, or waiver by the clients, can only help. Besides, a client is less likely to be upset if they sign a contract spelling out the ground rules, as you say.

We will continue to post "You Be The Judge".  Thanks.

Here's the first one: The Case of the Noisy Neighbor:  
http://tinyurl.com/33o5us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the scenario you suggest certainly can, and does, happen, Norm.<br />
So yes, I would spell it out in the buyer rep agreement<br />
Disclosure in the contract will provide some insulation, probably enough to discourage a suit.  Since the Court was split, anything that can be construed as full disclosure, or waiver by the clients, can only help. Besides, a client is less likely to be upset if they sign a contract spelling out the ground rules, as you say.</p>
<p>We will continue to post &#8220;You Be The Judge&#8221;.  Thanks.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the first one: The Case of the Noisy Neighbor:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/33o5us" >http://tinyurl.com/33o5us</a></p>
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		<title>By: Norm Fisher</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172805</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172805</guid>
		<description>sellsius,

This is a fascinating case. Given the fact that the brokerage has the agency relationship with the client, couldn't this finding apply when two agents from the same brokerage are representing different buyers on the same property? This likely happens regularly, especially in hot markets.

Would appropriate wording in a buyer brokerage agreement be sufficient to cover such conflicts? Perhaps another good argument for using bb agreements on a regular basis. Nothing settles disputes more effectively than a written agreement that spells out the ground rules.

I'd love to see more of these posts. They are great learning tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sellsius,</p>
<p>This is a fascinating case. Given the fact that the brokerage has the agency relationship with the client, couldn&#8217;t this finding apply when two agents from the same brokerage are representing different buyers on the same property? This likely happens regularly, especially in hot markets.</p>
<p>Would appropriate wording in a buyer brokerage agreement be sufficient to cover such conflicts? Perhaps another good argument for using bb agreements on a regular basis. Nothing settles disputes more effectively than a written agreement that spells out the ground rules.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see more of these posts. They are great learning tools.</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172793</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172793</guid>
		<description>Keep in mind this is a Montana case where the law was silent on whether multiple buyers could be represented on the same transaction. 

It would be wise to find out what your state law says and act accordingly. And make sure your buyer contracts reflect the law.

Contractual waiver of the law may not be enough to save you a lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind this is a Montana case where the law was silent on whether multiple buyers could be represented on the same transaction. </p>
<p>It would be wise to find out what your state law says and act accordingly. And make sure your buyer contracts reflect the law.</p>
<p>Contractual waiver of the law may not be enough to save you a lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Late Night Austin Real Estate</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172710</link>
		<dc:creator>Late Night Austin Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172710</guid>
		<description>So what should an agent do when a second buyer is interested in a house that another client has already submitted an offer on?  It seems from the opinions in the case that if the agent disclosed information to Amy she might still have won since the case talks about dual agency in “solely in the interests of the buyer” but does not mention disclosure.

So basically is the only way to deal with this situation is to refer the client to a different agent.  If that is true that is somewhat difficult.  Agents work hard to get buyers and it would be unfortunate to have to refer them out in this case.

It seems this would happen more frequently in small towns where there are fewer houses on the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what should an agent do when a second buyer is interested in a house that another client has already submitted an offer on?  It seems from the opinions in the case that if the agent disclosed information to Amy she might still have won since the case talks about dual agency in “solely in the interests of the buyer” but does not mention disclosure.</p>
<p>So basically is the only way to deal with this situation is to refer the client to a different agent.  If that is true that is somewhat difficult.  Agents work hard to get buyers and it would be unfortunate to have to refer them out in this case.</p>
<p>It seems this would happen more frequently in small towns where there are fewer houses on the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Representing two buyers on the same house? &#124; Real Central VA</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172709</link>
		<dc:creator>Representing two buyers on the same house? &#124; Real Central VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sellsius</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172672</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANSWER:

Amy won. The salesperson, and hence the broker, was liable for breach of their fiduciary duty to Amy.

The case is Zuazua v. Tibbles, decided by the Montana Supreme Court in October 2006.

Th Court held that while the Montana code did not prohibit salespersons from representing multiple buyers, by virtue of the language requiring buyers representatives to act "solely in the interests of the buyer", the salesperson could not represent 2 buyers competing for the same property. It is an inherent conflict of interests. To do so is a breach of fiduciary duty. 
Note: There was no indication by the Court whether the law could be waived by contract implying that the buyer agreements were silent on the point.

The case was a close one. It was decided 4 to 3. 
The dissent, written by Justice Rice, argued, in part, that the agent could submit multiple offers from different buyers but could not disclose confidential information, i.e the competing bid/terms, and therefore, would not pit one buyer against the other to drive up the price (&#038; the resulting commission). 

So,in Montana, an agent can represent many buyers and show them all the same houses BUT when it comes to making an offer, the first buyer to do so will preclude the salesperson from submitting offers on that property from other represented buyers.  You might want to tell your clients this from the gitgo and include language in your buyer agreement.

Read the decision here:  http://tinyurl.com/2zyb9k

You can hear the actual legal arguments and court questions here:
 http://audiovideo1.law.umt.edu:8080/Zuazua v Tibbles 10-4-06

Yes, I wrote this one (I'm the lawyer in the group)
--jf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANSWER:</p>
<p>Amy won. The salesperson, and hence the broker, was liable for breach of their fiduciary duty to Amy.</p>
<p>The case is Zuazua v. Tibbles, decided by the Montana Supreme Court in October 2006.</p>
<p>Th Court held that while the Montana code did not prohibit salespersons from representing multiple buyers, by virtue of the language requiring buyers representatives to act &#8220;solely in the interests of the buyer&#8221;, the salesperson could not represent 2 buyers competing for the same property. It is an inherent conflict of interests. To do so is a breach of fiduciary duty.<br />
Note: There was no indication by the Court whether the law could be waived by contract implying that the buyer agreements were silent on the point.</p>
<p>The case was a close one. It was decided 4 to 3.<br />
The dissent, written by Justice Rice, argued, in part, that the agent could submit multiple offers from different buyers but could not disclose confidential information, i.e the competing bid/terms, and therefore, would not pit one buyer against the other to drive up the price (&#038; the resulting commission). </p>
<p>So,in Montana, an agent can represent many buyers and show them all the same houses BUT when it comes to making an offer, the first buyer to do so will preclude the salesperson from submitting offers on that property from other represented buyers.  You might want to tell your clients this from the gitgo and include language in your buyer agreement.</p>
<p>Read the decision here:  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2zyb9k" >http://tinyurl.com/2zyb9k</a></p>
<p>You can hear the actual legal arguments and court questions here:<br />
 <a href="http://audiovideo1.law.umt.edu:8080/Zuazua" >http://audiovideo1.law.umt.edu:8080/Zuazua</a> v Tibbles 10-4-06</p>
<p>Yes, I wrote this one (I&#8217;m the lawyer in the group)<br />
&#8211;jf</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172454</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

I thought Joe wrote this one.  I agree that Rudy can cajole just abouot anyone...including Swann.  Joe doesn't have a chance in hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>I thought Joe wrote this one.  I agree that Rudy can cajole just abouot anyone&#8230;including Swann.  Joe doesn&#8217;t have a chance in hell.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/law/you-be-the-judge-dual-agency-vs-buyer-agent/2007/12/27/#comment-172453</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

I re-read the post.  I says they both signed "Agency Disclosure Forms" not "Buyer Agency Agreements".  I agree that most Buyer Broker Agreements would make the case go as you say.  But would you change your opinion if they did not sign Buyer Broker Agreements?

I re-read the post and it seems they are going by Agency Law alone and not a Buyer Broker Agreement signed by either buyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>I re-read the post.  I says they both signed &#8220;Agency Disclosure Forms&#8221; not &#8220;Buyer Agency Agreements&#8221;.  I agree that most Buyer Broker Agreements would make the case go as you say.  But would you change your opinion if they did not sign Buyer Broker Agreements?</p>
<p>I re-read the post and it seems they are going by Agency Law alone and not a Buyer Broker Agreement signed by either buyer.</p>
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