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		<title>By: How Using Zillow Might Raise Your Property Taxes</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Using Zillow Might Raise Your Property Taxes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Did Zillow Actually Listen to Sellsius?  Zillow admits its data may be screwed up and lets homeowners correct it.  The tax man smileth. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Did Zillow Actually Listen to Sellsius?  Zillow admits its data may be screwed up and lets homeowners correct it.  The tax man smileth. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Zillow&#8217;s Bogus Listings: Houses Listed for Sale Without Owners Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-208954</link>
		<dc:creator>Zillow&#8217;s Bogus Listings: Houses Listed for Sale Without Owners Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor’s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act (warning: selltoon) Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner’s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World’s First “Unzillowable” Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses… Zillow, Dem’s Fightin’ Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimate Truth Zillow’s Real Prey: It’s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association (I like this one) Zillow Ultimate Poll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor’s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act (warning: selltoon) Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner’s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World’s First “Unzillowable” Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses… Zillow, Dem’s Fightin’ Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimate Truth Zillow’s Real Prey: It’s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association (I like this one) Zillow Ultimate Poll [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Zillow Needs More Money and Gets It</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-128014</link>
		<dc:creator>Zillow Needs More Money and Gets It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-128014</guid>
		<description>[...] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor&#8217;s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner&#8217;s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World&#8217;s First &#8220;Unzillowable&#8221; Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses&#8230; Zillow, Dem&#8217;s Fightin&#8217; Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimated Truth Zillow&#8217;s Real Prey: It&#8217;s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association Zillow Ultimate Poll Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now? Zillow Doubt Why Arizona Went After Zillow Zillow Bans Unzillowable Ad The Power of Print: Perception as Truth Comment of the Day Is Zillow Using Our Homes as Bait? Zillow Tales: Where do you want to Start? Property Shark in Zillow Waters Dear Arizona: Zillow May be a Dog, But it is not a Poodle Is Zillow Q&#38;A Lookie Loo Heaven or Lisitng Agent Hell? The Human Listing Site: Zillowfying Your Privacy Under the Guise of Transparency Redfin &#38; Zillow: Stats of a Feather [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor&#8217;s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner&#8217;s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World&#8217;s First &#8220;Unzillowable&#8221; Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses&#8230; Zillow, Dem&#8217;s Fightin&#8217; Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimated Truth Zillow&#8217;s Real Prey: It&#8217;s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association Zillow Ultimate Poll Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now? Zillow Doubt Why Arizona Went After Zillow Zillow Bans Unzillowable Ad The Power of Print: Perception as Truth Comment of the Day Is Zillow Using Our Homes as Bait? Zillow Tales: Where do you want to Start? Property Shark in Zillow Waters Dear Arizona: Zillow May be a Dog, But it is not a Poodle Is Zillow Q&#38;A Lookie Loo Heaven or Lisitng Agent Hell? The Human Listing Site: Zillowfying Your Privacy Under the Guise of Transparency Redfin &#38; Zillow: Stats of a Feather [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Is Zillow Using Our Homes As Bait? - sellsius real estate blog - real estate, blogging, business, advertising, marketing, and technology</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-76709</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Zillow Using Our Homes As Bait? - sellsius real estate blog - real estate, blogging, business, advertising, marketing, and technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor’s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner’s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World’s First “Unzillowable” Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses… Zillow, Dem’s Fightin’ Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimate Truth Zillow’s Real Prey: It’s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association Zillow Ultimate Poll Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now?   Listen to this podcast [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor’s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner’s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World’s First “Unzillowable” Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses… Zillow, Dem’s Fightin’ Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimate Truth Zillow’s Real Prey: It’s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association Zillow Ultimate Poll Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now?   Listen to this podcast [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius°</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-13945</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius°</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-13945</guid>
		<description>We realize Zillow was receiving these complaints from day 1.  What we didn't know was that anything was going to be done about it. All statements were in defense of the original model.  If it's not broken, why fix it? is the sense we got.

When Steve Olshins wrote about the incorrect data, the response to him was we'll check it out.  Nowhere on the blog did I see a statement---just hang in there Steve we're working on something so you can correct the errors yourself.

We took your quote, as you can see in the post, which said "we don't let people tell us what their zestimate should be". Keeping the zestimate as is was "critical to the integrity".  Now when we see 2 estimates, who's should be have confidence in?

Don't get me wrong.  What Zillow is doing is trying to deal with a big problem which we mentioned as Assumption 2: to be valuable facts must be fresh, accurate &#038; complete &#038; this requires human double checking. An assumption you answered (re the public data)as follows:

"Assumption #2 is generally incorrect but can be correct in some edge cases — remember that the public record is actually being double-checked by many human beings....there’s not much room for an error to make it the whole way through that system."  

So I hope you can understand how we didn't see it coming &#038; therefore brought these issues out in our blog &#038; dialogue with you in prior posts.

David, I appreciate you're a good sport about things.  I also appreciate that you'd understand that our strong feelings come from working in the real estate industry (myself over 25 years) We're happy to give you the laughs, links, &#038; ink..But you guys seems to be Ok without us little guys. 

One last question: When can owners put a "for sale" sign on the listing?

 
Best regards,
Joseph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We realize Zillow was receiving these complaints from day 1.  What we didn&#8217;t know was that anything was going to be done about it. All statements were in defense of the original model.  If it&#8217;s not broken, why fix it? is the sense we got.</p>
<p>When Steve Olshins wrote about the incorrect data, the response to him was we&#8217;ll check it out.  Nowhere on the blog did I see a statement&#8212;just hang in there Steve we&#8217;re working on something so you can correct the errors yourself.</p>
<p>We took your quote, as you can see in the post, which said &#8220;we don&#8217;t let people tell us what their zestimate should be&#8221;. Keeping the zestimate as is was &#8220;critical to the integrity&#8221;.  Now when we see 2 estimates, who&#8217;s should be have confidence in?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  What Zillow is doing is trying to deal with a big problem which we mentioned as Assumption 2: to be valuable facts must be fresh, accurate &#038; complete &#038; this requires human double checking. An assumption you answered (re the public data)as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;Assumption #2 is generally incorrect but can be correct in some edge cases — remember that the public record is actually being double-checked by many human beings&#8230;.there’s not much room for an error to make it the whole way through that system.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So I hope you can understand how we didn&#8217;t see it coming &#038; therefore brought these issues out in our blog &#038; dialogue with you in prior posts.</p>
<p>David, I appreciate you&#8217;re a good sport about things.  I also appreciate that you&#8217;d understand that our strong feelings come from working in the real estate industry (myself over 25 years) We&#8217;re happy to give you the laughs, links, &#038; ink..But you guys seems to be Ok without us little guys. </p>
<p>One last question: When can owners put a &#8220;for sale&#8221; sign on the listing?</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Joseph</p>
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		<title>By: David G from Zillow.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-13935</link>
		<dc:creator>David G from Zillow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-13935</guid>
		<description>To concisely answer the title of this post, "NO".

Actually, you were about 6 months behind the visitors to our website - who we do listen to - and who on launch day (2/8/06) and ever since then have requested the features that we launched yesterday -- as you should note if you review Lloyd's post from (2/9/06): http://tinyurl.com/hyksr. 

Z2 was in the works before Z1 launched, though feedback did help us prioritize it aganist all the other stuff we're busy with. If future features we develop seem obvious, that's exactly the way it should be. Let me know when you find otherwise.

Thanks for the laughs, and the links and the ink. 

David G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To concisely answer the title of this post, &#8220;NO&#8221;.</p>
<p>Actually, you were about 6 months behind the visitors to our website - who we do listen to - and who on launch day (2/8/06) and ever since then have requested the features that we launched yesterday &#8212; as you should note if you review Lloyd&#8217;s post from (2/9/06): <a href="http://tinyurl.com/hyksr." >http://tinyurl.com/hyksr.</a> </p>
<p>Z2 was in the works before Z1 launched, though feedback did help us prioritize it aganist all the other stuff we&#8217;re busy with. If future features we develop seem obvious, that&#8217;s exactly the way it should be. Let me know when you find otherwise.</p>
<p>Thanks for the laughs, and the links and the ink. </p>
<p>David G</p>
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		<title>By: Zillow.com bites the wrong bullet: In preference to telling one simple truth, it will propagate thousands of tiny lies . . . &#124; BloodhoundBlog &#124; The weblog of BloodhoundRealty.com in Phoenix, Arizona</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-13851</link>
		<dc:creator>Zillow.com bites the wrong bullet: In preference to telling one simple truth, it will propagate thousands of tiny lies . . . &#124; BloodhoundBlog &#124; The weblog of BloodhoundRealty.com in Phoenix, Arizona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That shoe finally dropped last night. Rich Barton, Zillow.com&#8217;s chairman and CEO, made the announcement on their weblog: Homeowners can now add remodel information, update or change facts (like beds/baths, square footage, etc), or add more specific stuff like a waterfront view, finished basement, or type of parking.&#160; This is a milestone release for the company as it represents our first step in opening Zillow up to our customers, inviting them to add to and improve Zillow for everyone. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] That shoe finally dropped last night. Rich Barton, Zillow.com&#8217;s chairman and CEO, made the announcement on their weblog: Homeowners can now add remodel information, update or change facts (like beds/baths, square footage, etc), or add more specific stuff like a waterfront view, finished basement, or type of parking.&#160; This is a milestone release for the company as it represents our first step in opening Zillow up to our customers, inviting them to add to and improve Zillow for everyone. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius°</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-13849</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius°</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that's an interesting point.  Best not to increase your own zestimate until you need to sell. hmmm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s an interesting point.  Best not to increase your own zestimate until you need to sell. hmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Boardman</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/did-zillow-actually-listen-to-sellsius/2006/09/20/#comment-13843</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa Boardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I am wondering if I should add the missing 1000 square feet to my home.  Last time I checked size had no impact on the value.  I also noticed that the comps are in a different town.  I am facing a steep tax increase this year based on the value of my home.  I am thinking about sending zillows zestimate to the county so that I can get a steep tax cut. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I am wondering if I should add the missing 1000 square feet to my home.  Last time I checked size had no impact on the value.  I also noticed that the comps are in a different town.  I am facing a steep tax increase this year based on the value of my home.  I am thinking about sending zillows zestimate to the county so that I can get a steep tax cut. <img src='http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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