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	<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/</link>
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		<title>By: Suzette</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-84093</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 09:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

You apparently have never heard of exclusive buyer agency. These agents never take listings, and their primary objective is to negotiate the lowest price possible for their buyers. On the other hand, Redfin also takes listings, so if a Redfin buyer wants to buy a property that is listed with them, then Redfin (the company, aka. "designated broker") becomes the Dual Agent--which is a conflict of interest--because a seller expects their agent to get the highest price possible for their property, and a buyer expects their agent to get the lowest price possible. When one company has two agents working on opposite sides of the same transaction, these commitments are conflicting. 

This is why Dual Agents are required by law in most states to remain neutral to both parties, meaning, neither side receives the level of service they originally expected. Neither side is well-served. Although Redfin claims that they don't allow dual representation, if a Redfin buyer purchases a property from a Redfin seller, this is dual agency--no matter how you try to dress it. They are not being completely honest with the public.

Redfin would like the public to believe that all agents (outside of theirs) are evil and that they always want buyers to pay the highest price for properties. This is simply untrue propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>You apparently have never heard of exclusive buyer agency. These agents never take listings, and their primary objective is to negotiate the lowest price possible for their buyers. On the other hand, Redfin also takes listings, so if a Redfin buyer wants to buy a property that is listed with them, then Redfin (the company, aka. &#8220;designated broker&#8221;) becomes the Dual Agent&#8211;which is a conflict of interest&#8211;because a seller expects their agent to get the highest price possible for their property, and a buyer expects their agent to get the lowest price possible. When one company has two agents working on opposite sides of the same transaction, these commitments are conflicting. </p>
<p>This is why Dual Agents are required by law in most states to remain neutral to both parties, meaning, neither side receives the level of service they originally expected. Neither side is well-served. Although Redfin claims that they don&#8217;t allow dual representation, if a Redfin buyer purchases a property from a Redfin seller, this is dual agency&#8211;no matter how you try to dress it. They are not being completely honest with the public.</p>
<p>Redfin would like the public to believe that all agents (outside of theirs) are evil and that they always want buyers to pay the highest price for properties. This is simply untrue propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius°</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-67495</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius°</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-67495</guid>
		<description>Martin,

We support consumer choice. So if you did well with Redfin excellent.  No sour grapes on our end, unless we're making wine.

No one, including an agent, can make you do anything-- as you prove---you just go somewhere else.

The system you talk about is the traditional 6% or so system.  It works in some cases but maybe not all.  In lower priced homes the agent doesn't make that much.  There are other models, like redfin, that will succeed if they work to the consumer's benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>We support consumer choice. So if you did well with Redfin excellent.  No sour grapes on our end, unless we&#8217;re making wine.</p>
<p>No one, including an agent, can make you do anything&#8211; as you prove&#8212;you just go somewhere else.</p>
<p>The system you talk about is the traditional 6% or so system.  It works in some cases but maybe not all.  In lower priced homes the agent doesn&#8217;t make that much.  There are other models, like redfin, that will succeed if they work to the consumer&#8217;s benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-67461</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-67461</guid>
		<description>Sour grapes, guys.  I love redfin.  I used them to buy my first house, and if they didn't exist, I wouldn't have bought anything at all, unless I'd managed to find a house for sale by owner that I liked.  Why?  Because I refuse to enter into a business relationship with someone (an agent) whose sole interest is to get me to buy high and buy quickly.  It's an outdated, ridiculous system, and it's doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sour grapes, guys.  I love redfin.  I used them to buy my first house, and if they didn&#8217;t exist, I wouldn&#8217;t have bought anything at all, unless I&#8217;d managed to find a house for sale by owner that I liked.  Why?  Because I refuse to enter into a business relationship with someone (an agent) whose sole interest is to get me to buy high and buy quickly.  It&#8217;s an outdated, ridiculous system, and it&#8217;s doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Redfin: Rebel With A Cause? at sellsius° real estate blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-66174</link>
		<dc:creator>Redfin: Rebel With A Cause? at sellsius° real estate blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-66174</guid>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Seeing Redfin, As A Buyer.    Listen to this podcast [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius°</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13303</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius°</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13303</guid>
		<description>Send it to us by email to:  elatedclients(at)sellsiusrealestate(dot)com
&#038; we'll put it up

see this link
http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/?p=1944</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Send it to us by email to:  elatedclients(at)sellsiusrealestate(dot)com<br />
&#038; we&#8217;ll put it up</p>
<p>see this link<br />
<a href="http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/?p=1944" >http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/?p=1944</a></p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13302</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13302</guid>
		<description>how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how?</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius°</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13266</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius°</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13266</guid>
		<description>Yes, every contract must be read for the fine print and TOS.  Agreed, they are similar, but not always the same. I don't know if all of them make you give up your right to a trial.  And redfin promotes the guarantee but you only get 5 days to use it. That may not be enough time.
  
But fundamentally, we agree with you that buyers have the right to chose.  That's the democratic way. We just want to give them more info so they chose wisely.  Thanks for the thoughtful comment Simon.  Would you be interested in taking the mike and contributing a post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, every contract must be read for the fine print and TOS.  Agreed, they are similar, but not always the same. I don&#8217;t know if all of them make you give up your right to a trial.  And redfin promotes the guarantee but you only get 5 days to use it. That may not be enough time.</p>
<p>But fundamentally, we agree with you that buyers have the right to chose.  That&#8217;s the democratic way. We just want to give them more info so they chose wisely.  Thanks for the thoughtful comment Simon.  Would you be interested in taking the mike and contributing a post?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13260</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13260</guid>
		<description>Come on, the buyer agents have similar TOS too. In fact, my friend working in a title company told me that most of the papers you sign at closing are disclaimers to cover the buyer agent's ass. 

I am not that concern with sharing info because most sites reserve that right, and I use my Safeway cards to get my $.50 discount ;) NO one is going to buy a home without seeing it. Buyers can see the home during open house, which listing agents hold every weekend in this market. Also all the listings are on MLS/Realtor.com so denying access to Redfin is useless. 

Using an agent or Redfin, the risk of getting hit by a truck is the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, the buyer agents have similar TOS too. In fact, my friend working in a title company told me that most of the papers you sign at closing are disclaimers to cover the buyer agent&#8217;s ass. </p>
<p>I am not that concern with sharing info because most sites reserve that right, and I use my Safeway cards to get my $.50 discount <img src='http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> NO one is going to buy a home without seeing it. Buyers can see the home during open house, which listing agents hold every weekend in this market. Also all the listings are on MLS/Realtor.com so denying access to Redfin is useless. </p>
<p>Using an agent or Redfin, the risk of getting hit by a truck is the same.</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius°</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13080</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius°</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13080</guid>
		<description>Thank you for your comments Glenn.  Consumers will appreciate your efforts to modify your TOS for their benefit.  After all, it's always been about the consumer and our industry's service to them.

Also, congratulations on your wedding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comments Glenn.  Consumers will appreciate your efforts to modify your TOS for their benefit.  After all, it&#8217;s always been about the consumer and our industry&#8217;s service to them.</p>
<p>Also, congratulations on your wedding.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Kelman</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13078</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Kelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/residential-real-estate/seeing-redfin-as-a-buyer/2006/09/08/#comment-13078</guid>
		<description>Good comments on Redfin. We may extend the guarantee, though my sense is that it may take months before you determine if you really like your house, whereas you know the day the deal closes whether we represented you well on negotiations and closing. Our main job is to represent our customers well in those areas.

The only reason we even added a term limit is that we can't recognize revenue on a deal until the guarantee expires. If a customer were unhappy for a valid reason months afterwards, we would probably make an exception to our policy and refund his or her money regardless, but we still need a reasonable policy. 

As for the privacy of our data, that is simply a problem in our legal boilerplate, a holdover from the days when Redfin was just starting. We don’t sell names to anyone without the consumer’s permission; sometimes though when a consumer seems like a better fit for a traditional agent, we’ll ask the consumer about working with someone like that and then, with permission, pass his or her details on. Your concern is nonetheless valid. We’ll change the boilerplate to give customers’ more comfort on this issue.

Thanks for the thoughtful review of our service!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments on Redfin. We may extend the guarantee, though my sense is that it may take months before you determine if you really like your house, whereas you know the day the deal closes whether we represented you well on negotiations and closing. Our main job is to represent our customers well in those areas.</p>
<p>The only reason we even added a term limit is that we can&#8217;t recognize revenue on a deal until the guarantee expires. If a customer were unhappy for a valid reason months afterwards, we would probably make an exception to our policy and refund his or her money regardless, but we still need a reasonable policy. </p>
<p>As for the privacy of our data, that is simply a problem in our legal boilerplate, a holdover from the days when Redfin was just starting. We don’t sell names to anyone without the consumer’s permission; sometimes though when a consumer seems like a better fit for a traditional agent, we’ll ask the consumer about working with someone like that and then, with permission, pass his or her details on. Your concern is nonetheless valid. We’ll change the boilerplate to give customers’ more comfort on this issue.</p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughtful review of our service!</p>
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