Does Size Matter In Social Media? (Or Does It Just Feel Better?)


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More… don’t stop….yes, Yes, YES!  You know what I’m talking about, right?— the feeling you get  seeing more followers on Twitter, more subscribers to your blog and more members to your Facebook group.  Ahhh.  (I need a cigarette)

But wait a minute Johnny– is this social media stroking enlarging your business or just your …. ego?  Will your groupies bring you an orgy of referrals or is it just a social circle jerk?   Are you witnessing  the wisdom of the crowd or a confederacy of dunces?  Are these friends with benefits?  Maybe it’s time to bend over and take a closer look.

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I attended REtechSouth in Atlanta, GA last week. I was invited by the organizers to a Cage Match to debate Social Media with the “Notorious” Rob Hahn of Onboard Informatics.

One question for debate was “Does Size Matter in Social Media?” Does it really make any difference if you have 100 followers or 1,000 or even 10,000?   I was asked to argue the Pro– Yes, size does matter.

Before I lay out my arguments in support of the proposition, let’s try to agree on some definitions and assumptions which make the debate relevant and worthwhile.

We’ll have to define what “matters”, what constitutes “size” and what comprises social media.  Let’s start with—

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What Exactly is Social Media?

Well, in order to know if size matters, one has to define this delicious and sexy thing called Social Media.  You may be surprised to know it’s a many headed love machine.

Danny Sullivan of SearchEngineLand,  gave a wonderful presentation on social media at AdTech New York, which I attended. (see his How Search-like are Social Media Sites).

According to Danny, Social Media sites can be categorized as follows :

1. Social News.  These are sites like Digg, Reddit, YahooBuzz, where folks share recent information.

2. Social Bookmarking. These are sites where folks share any information.  These would include sites like Delicious and Stumbleupon.

3. Social Networking.  Here members connect and share thoughts, ideas and opinions with each other.  Not only do folks share with each other, they also discover what their friends are sharing and who they are connecting with.    Facebook, MySpace, LinkedIn fit in this category.

4. Social Knowledge. In these sites, people share questions and answers.  People here are seeking solutions.  Include here sites like YahooAnswers, Zillow Advice,  and even Wikipedia.

5. Social Sharing.  Here people share stuff, including social objects.  These would be YouTube and Flickr. Danny puts Twitter in this category but I’d say Twitter crosses the lines into Social News and Social Networking.

I don’t know which social media box to put blogging, but an argument can be made that it fits into virtually all the social media categories, except, perhaps, social bookmarking.

Once you agree that social media cuts a wide and varied swatch of the communal internet, you can see that followers come in many different flavors.

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Who Are We Counting in Measuring Size?

Taking this social media census is not as easy as it looks.  We ought be careful not to leave people out of the social media  follower head count.

We obviously count folks who “follow” you on Twitter, “friend” you on Facebook, “connect” with you on LinkedIn, “subscribe” to your blog or friendfeed.  But what about folks who “join” your Flickr of Facebook group?  Or how about people who watch what you digg, stumble or post to YouTube? I say they all count.

In other words, the size of your social media following is the number of folks who regularly receive, or have access to, your content in one way or another.   They may get your stuff in their RSS feeds, email inboxes  or see it stuck on some “wall”.  And all these people have “opted in” to follow you, or perhaps more accurately, your content.

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What  Matters?  Social media ROI

Now that we know the range of social media and the different folks who make up your social media possee, let’s get to the crux of the biscuit— what does it matter?  First, though, let’s define what  “matter” means.

I say it should mean ROI– do you get a better “return” on your social media investment time if you have more of an entourage.

And what is this  “return”?  Well, since we’re talking about real estate professionals and business, I think the social media return should be what is commonly known as leads — potential clients.

Leads can come from:

1. folks who may hire you;

2. folks who may refer clients to you; and

3.  folks who will generally recommend you to others.  This recommendation can come in many forms, including a link to you.

For ease of discussion, let’s call these folks sending you leads “quality followers”.

(Whether the non-monetary returns from a social media following are worhtwhile is a topic for another rasslin’ match)

The Argument Pro

Size matters in social media because it increases your sphere of potential influence and increases your odds of having quality followers.

A word on potential influence. By this I mean that your ability to move a person to action ( hire, refer or recommend you) is only a potentiality, never a certainty.  This is where most folks get tripped up.  They assume (rightly) that just because someone has 1,000 followers does not mean that will bring any business.  And this is absolutely true.  It is possible to have a 1,000 followers and get no business from them.   BUT, and it’s a big butt (smiley face), there exists the potential to move up to 1,000 of those followers to action.

(If you think about it, when discussing ROI, we are always talking about potentiality– your website visitors, your smiles, handshakes and conference conversations, even folks who make an appointment to see you– heck, even the babies you kiss can get you a vote.)

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Do The Math: 100 % of  Zero is Still Zero

If you have no followers, no blog subcribers, no Facebook friends, no one interested in seeing your latest photos, videos, or even wanting a connection with you on LinkedIn, you have zero chance of a follower hiring you, referring a potential client to you or recommending you. Duh.   It is an impossibility. Your sphere of potential influence on no followers is zero.  In addition, your odds of having a quality follower among zero followers are nil.  In other words, 100% of nuttin’ is nuttin’

Now, if you have even 1 follower there is now the possibility that this person may hire you, refer or recommend a client to you.  You now have a sphere of potential influence of 1.  Not great.  But certainly better than zero.

Keep in mind that your influence over this 1 follower is “potential”.  That person may not be influenced by you.  In baseball terms, you’d have to be batting a thousand to influence your entire follower base of 1.

But you can increase your odds of influencing followers if you have more of them.

Let’s compare  A with 1oo followers to B with 1,000 to C with 10,000.  If the object were to get 100 quality followers, A would need 100% of their followers, B 10% and C only 1%.

Assessing the Quality of a Follower Can’t Be Done With Certainty

I don’t know about you, but I can’t tell if one of my followers, subcribers or members of any of my groups is a quality follower, i.e. will hire me, directly refer me or generally recommend me to others who may hire me.  I would not even attempt to prejudge any of them.   If you do try to rank your followers as if you were ranking a blog carnival entry, I would accuse you of blogging too long in the Phoenix midday sun.

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Inbound Links Expose Your Content to Followers of Others Who May Become Your Followers

Those who subscribe to your blog or follow you on Twitter are more likely to link to or retweet your content.  This is only a theory but I suspect it’s true simply because your followers have regular contact with your content. If they see it and like it, they may pass it on– to be seen by their followers.

The republication of your content by your followers exposes it to their sphere of potential influence, thereby creating the possibility those  followers’ follower might become your followers, thereby increasing the people you can potentially influence.  My experience has shown that clients do come via the “friend of a friend” network.

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Popularity Does Not Equal Quality, But It CAN

It is true that popularity does not guarantee quality.  But popularity CAN equal quality.  Witness Michael Jordan. Tiger Woods.   And even if you were to say (I wouldn’t) that Britney Spears is popular but not good, her followers are very likely to purchase tickets to her concerts and buy her music.   One could also argue that in the genre known as Pop Music, she IS good.

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Your Followers: Social Capital Or Brass Razoos

If you spend your time creating and publishing quality content and engaging folks in social media, you should attract followers naturally.  These are the people I am talking about in this post.  Each follower has cast a vote or endorsement for you or your content.  As mentioned, the quality of that vote is uncertain— but so long as the vote count is above zero,  it has potential value for business.

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If, on the other hand, you build up your following artificially, using various techniques bordering on solicitation, I submit the value of your social capital may not rise to that of a brass razoo.

Mindshare and Branding

Whether we are talking individual or corporate brand,  a larger social media following increases the potential of brand awareness and mindshare growth.  Comcast is one example of a company brand on the Consumer Most Hated List (it’s been #1 on mine for a long time).  It’s social media presence has built a following of folks who are now less likely to read their bill and kick the dog.  (though I still don’t get the warm fuzzies because of their unrivaled streak of price increases– seemingly every year the monopolistic company has been in existence. )

A quick Zillow tale.

I had a conversation with David G of Zillow and asked him why he wasn’t on Twitter representing Zillow.  I told him my Tweetbeep alerts for Trulia produced a constant stream of Twitter chatter about the brand among the real estate community, while those mentioning Zillow were a mere trickle in comparison. While there is Trulia complaining and grinding of teeth (for primarily sluggish customer service), there is usually a quick response to assuage it.  The negative tweets for Zillow received no attention.  Shortly after our conversation, David, the whirling dervish of blog commentary took his social media guruness to Twitter.  (Zillow ticketmaster, Rich Barton soon followed.)  The result:  My Tweetbeep alerts show Zillow as much in the conversation as Trulia and the negative clouds have greatly dissipated. Call it coincidental, I’ll call it a result of joining the SM party de jure.

See Exploring the Link Between Customer Care and Brand Reputation  in the Age of Social Media. (2008)

When Quantity Beats Quality

I’ve noticed this post is getting a bit long and I’m getting a bit long winded, so I’ll end it with an example to prove that quality is not always better than quantity…

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I never make exceptions. An exception disproves the rule ~ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Let’s suppose you had not eaten to the point you were ravenously hungry and thirsty.  I’d wager a brass razoo you would decline a single bite of Kobe beef and a sip of Chateau d’Yquem for a Big Mac with cheese, large fries and Seven Eleven Big Gulp.

These are lean times.  At a certain point, you can die over a principle.

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  • HI Joe

    This is a most excellent post. I love the intro and then the analysis.

    I take the size does not matter (with respect to this debate) but rather the quality of your followers.

    Talking or potentially talking to everyone is a collossal waste of time.

    I agree with you that iF your "followers" actually follow you, there is a chance that good things might happen.

    If However they just follow you because you follow them,
    and then filter you our using Tweet deck you really don't have as many followers as you think.

    Indeed I am suspicious of those that have more than 500 followers if they are following the same number.

    As you know I limit those I follow and keep the quality high. I have tested on a few occassions that when I tweet something to my small number of followers I can the same number of visits to the link that I post as does someone who has 13,000 followers and tweets the same thing!!!

    Here are some views on twitter:
    http://blog.homegain.com/blogging-and-social-ne...

    Keep up the good work
    @homegain
    @lcammarosa
  • Yes, it's always about quality followers-- those who will hire, refer or recommend you to others. The larger your audience, the greater your chance of getting those quality followers-- see the example of A, B, and C. Your potential sphere of influence increases with every new follower.

    Let's not forget that followers include blog subscribers, who do not have the Twitter/FB "Follow me, I'll follow you" syndrome.

    Perhaps a better strategy for Twitter is to have a separate account for broadcasting, where you follow no one and another account for listening and engaging.
  • Joe,

    I guess I need a blog enlarger... ;)

    Steven Stearns
    Realtionship/Social Media Coordinator
    RE/MAX Preferred Madison, WI
    920-691-6030
  • Great post - you've definitely made your point, although I also subscribe to quality not always quantity. I read your feed daily - keep it up!
  • Thanks Laura.
    How do you measure the quality of your blog subscribers? Twitter followers?
  • Well, I suppose you've now made me see the (some) rationale behind those who clamor for ever higher numbers of followers and friends, although I still think it's superficial and just boosts to some people's already over-inflated ego - not all but certainly some. You can watch their tweets about it and you know full well it's all ego.

    I'm selective about who I follow and friend, etc. There are too many odd-balls out there - porn promotors and just plain spammers, etc. - I have no interest in following them just to boost my numbers.

    Quantity, the way you explained it, does matter...... love the lead-in graphic. ;-)
  • Thanks Ann. This also raises the issue of social media channels -- which
    are best for attracting quality followers or ROI. In the SM world, my gut
    says blog subscribers are of higher quality and Q&A venues like Zillow
    Advice are better for ROI--- but who knows without some proof. You'd think
    the TruZillas of the net would have these stats--- my guess is they do and
    the evidence of ROI is dismally anecdotal. Perhaps they all pale compared to
    lead gen companies like HomeGain, who publishes the names and $ made using
    their product-- now that's what I call transparency.
  • Love the continuation of the debate, Joe. :) Since this one, I am personally on the other side, I can take that back up.

    The truism that if you have zero followers, then quality doesn't matter is just that: a truism. The real question is whether quality trumps quantity or not.

    And FWIW, I don't know that you measure quality in terms of "how much $$ will this follower bring me". I rather think of quality in terms of "how much does this person add to the conversation, bring up questions and points, and is worthy of following himself/herself?"

    One thing that does strike me is that the more someone tries to use social media as a lead-gen tool, the less effective that someone tends to be. Why is that? I'm not sure I know. But it does happen.

    -rsh
  • I always enjoy rasslin' with you, Rob. Readers should know we do it all the time.

    Quality will not always trump quantity when it comes to ROI. Just ask Sam Walton or F.W. Woolworth (wait, they're dead) or the guy who came up with the Dollar store. In real estate, are you getting a better ROI selling mansions over starter homes? Is a seller a better quality client than a buyer? It depends on the market. Maybe the smarter ROI strategy is to do rentals. Quality v quantity comes down to -- it depends.

    If One Quality Follower is Good, is 10 Better?

    In terms of followers, I certainly would prefer quality followers, i.e. those who might hire, refer or recommend me. But there's a problem---I don't know how to make that judgment. Do you? So by increasing the followers you attract (as supposed to solicit by quid pro quo following), you increase the chances of attracting more quality followers.

    In the example I use in the post, if the goal was to attract 100 quality followers, if A has 100 and C 10,000, A would need 100% of his followers to meet the goal while C would need only 1% of his. And if C can do better than 1% he will beat even A's 100 quality followers.

    Now, here's a little story that may help. Gary V said he put an offer for free shipping on his website and other online and offline venues (I think even his billboard) and he got more takers from Twitter (1700) than from all other venues combined. Now, Gary has over 100,000 followers so 1700 maybe aint that great--- but if he had only 100 followers, I think 1700 sales would be out of the question. (Maybe that's why Super Bowl ads cost so much.)

    (Yes, I agree that you don't have to judge quality in $ and can look at what comes from the interaction in SM-- but that interaction is not restricted to your social media entourage.)

    The lead gen thing is up for grabs-- the problem lies in the quantity and quality of the lead gen message. Too much is no good and even a little won't work if it's cheesy. IMO, the degree of lead gen success is a function of the quantity and quality of the message and, more importantly, the perceived value the receiver derives from that message. That's why tutorial marketing is, perhaps, the lead gen tool of web 2.0 and social media-- I'll buy the Thesis theme for my Wordpress blog because Brian Clark is one helluva blogger and teacher.

    In the case of lead gen in SM, the old in and out may not bring the most pleasure.
  • Here's one example how Twitter can produce recommendations (links): http://www.geekestateblog.com/lifestyle-listing...
  • Hehe, if they came to our LSSMC meetings, they'd know. :)

    Anyhow, re: this passage:

    Quality will not always trump quantity when it comes to ROI. Just ask Sam Walton or F.W. Woolworth (wait, they're dead) or the guy who came up with the Dollar store. In real estate, are you getting a better ROI selling mansions over starter homes? Is a seller a better quality client than a buyer? It depends on the market. Maybe the smarter ROI strategy is to do rentals. Quality v quantity comes down to -- it depends.

    If One Quality Follower is Good, is 10 Better?

    In terms of followers, I certainly would prefer quality followers, i.e. those who might hire, refer or recommend me. But there's a problem---I don't know how to make that judgment. Do you? So by increasing the followers you attract (as supposed to solicit by quid pro quo following), you increase the chances of attracting more quality followers.


    Maybe the problem is that I fundamentally see social media as just a way to have interesting conversations. So quality followers to me are folks I can have interesting conversations with.

    The Walmart example is again skewed and not on point. Quality doesn't translate to "wealthy". If I were out to sell a whole mess o' goods, then I'd want to be the low-cost provider to get the largest number of poor folks buying from me.

    But if my goal is to have interesting conversations, and learn from people, and expand my horizons, then I rather think the definition of "quality" vs. "quantity" change dramatically. i can't have a conversation with 1,000 people; I can broadcast to a 1,000 people, but not truly converse with them.

    I can -- with social media tools -- have convos with multiple people at the same time, as long as they're responding back, giving and taking, and so on.

    -rsh
  • So would you think it better to have 5 of those quality followers or 50?
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  • I have the Swedish Twitter Pump myself. Had to buy it in Amsterdam. Not imported into the US or Canada. ; )

    Real People - Real Conversations - Real Relationships.
    I'm all for increasing the size of my following as I feel they all might be the next business opportunity but at the same time a bigger following is a quick moving stream of content.

    That doesn't mean I have an open door policy either - (I have a http://cli.gs/twitterpolicy). I struggle constantly with ways to slow that content stream down.

    Groups in TweetDeck and Facebook certainly help.
  • Right, the more you follow, the harder it is to listen because of the moving content stream.

    Perhaps the answer is 2 twitter accounts-- one for broadcasting where you follow no one, the second for listening and engaging selected followers.
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  • While I am a firm believe in the quality vs the quantity....My solution to this would be hybrid of the two sides...a marriage of ideals, if you will.

    Sure, everyone wants more followers. But, is it worth it at the cost of the quality? Is bigger better for the sense of being bigger? Or is bigger better for the sense of being able to develop relationships with a broader range of folks?

    Yes, by having more people follow you, you can increase your chances of developing a relationship with someone outside of your regular SOI....by the same token, if you walk further off of a curb into a street, you increase your chances of being hit by a bus. :-)

    I strive to develop quality relationships with everyone in my circle. But, I also strive to add to my circle daily. But, it is a targeted growth that I monitor and control. That way, I know what to expect and avoid the potential of "getting too big for my britches".

    So, in a way, bigger is better. But, you have to do it for the right reasons.
  • Good points Clint and I agree with them. Your idea of a marriage of quality and quantity is superb. But I wonder if there is a way to do it, since you can't control folks from following you.

    As you say, you want to engage folks via SM-- but does 1000 followers prevent that? or how about 1,000 blog subscribers? I'm not sure it does, especially with apps like Tweetdeck and your blog comment section.

    Getting too big for one's britches is always a risk -- perhaps Twitter should have a "follower hide button" so you can keep your follower count a secret, even from yourself. Mewonders if any one would use it.

    I love this line: if you walk further off of a curb into a street, you increase your chances of being hit by a bus. :-)

    But Clint, that's the only way to cross it.

    In the end, being oneself is the best way to go. What comes from that, be it 10 followers or 10,000, is a good thing. Thanks for stopping by. Next time I'll make espresso :)
  • Yeah, you cant control those that follow you...But, you can control who you follow and with whom you interact. And that is the growth control that I was referencing.

    The problem with rapid uncontrolled growth is the overwhelming crash that inevitably occurs at some point. Its happened over and over again throughout history on scales big and small...and this is no different.

    The hide followers button is a good idea...but is not knowing how big you are a benefit or a hindrance? Im sure thats a debatable topic as well.

    Yes, being yourself is the ONLY way to go...you can try it other ways, for sure. But, for me, I prefer to be as transparent as humanly possible. Either you like it...or you dont. :-)
  • Yep. I remember when I used to check my blog traffic every day. Became
    obsessed over it because it meant more ad money. Then one day it hit me--
    screw the ad money-- I'm gonna write what I like to write about anyway. So
    I don't check it anymore and I'm better off. -- so says the Manifesto:
    http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/blogging/the...
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