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	<title>Comments on: Zillow Poll Results: Agent&#8217;s Labor Still Needed</title>
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		<title>By: Zillow&#8217;s Bogus Listings: Houses Listed for Sale Without Owners Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-208971</link>
		<dc:creator>Zillow&#8217;s Bogus Listings: Houses Listed for Sale Without Owners Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers  Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers  Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Poll Results on the Value of Zillow in Estimating House Values &#124; All About Real Estate - Invest for Success</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-200179</link>
		<dc:creator>Poll Results on the Value of Zillow in Estimating House Values &#124; All About Real Estate - Invest for Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The following is from the Sellsius blog [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-200177</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe in open information for all parties involved in any real estate transaction, as long as it is accurate.  Accurate CMAs often require human oversight due to the inability of the computer models to differentiate outliers that can affect price estimates.  For example, a short sale of a house for $300K will bring all the comparable $400K houses around it down in price as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe in open information for all parties involved in any real estate transaction, as long as it is accurate.  Accurate CMAs often require human oversight due to the inability of the computer models to differentiate outliers that can affect price estimates.  For example, a short sale of a house for $300K will bring all the comparable $400K houses around it down in price as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Zillow Poll</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-146854</link>
		<dc:creator>Zillow Poll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] results of latest Zillow poll are in and I do not understand why Zillow is so disliked, feared, hated, etc.Â  I believe their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] results of latest Zillow poll are in and I do not understand why Zillow is so disliked, feared, hated, etc.Â  I believe their [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Zillow Needs More Money and Gets It</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-127743</link>
		<dc:creator>Zillow Needs More Money and Gets It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-127743</guid>
		<description>[...] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor&#8217;s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner&#8217;s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World&#8217;s First &#8220;Unzillowable&#8221; Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses&#8230; Zillow, Dem&#8217;s Fightin&#8217; Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimated Truth Zillow&#8217;s Real Prey: It&#8217;s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association Zillow Ultimate Poll Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now? Zillow Doubt Why Arizona Went After Zillow Zillow Bans Unzillowable Ad The Power of Print: Perception as Truth Comment of the Day Is Zillow Using Our Homes as Bait? Zillow Tales: Where do you want to Start? Property Shark in Zillow Waters Dear Arizona: Zillow May be a Dog, But it is not a Poodle Is Zillow Q&#38;A Lookie Loo Heaven or Lisitng Agent Hell? The Human Listing Site: Zillowfying Your Privacy Under the Guise of Transparency Redfin &#38; Zillow: Stats of a Feather [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor&#8217;s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner&#8217;s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World&#8217;s First &#8220;Unzillowable&#8221; Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses&#8230; Zillow, Dem&#8217;s Fightin&#8217; Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimated Truth Zillow&#8217;s Real Prey: It&#8217;s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association Zillow Ultimate Poll Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now? Zillow Doubt Why Arizona Went After Zillow Zillow Bans Unzillowable Ad The Power of Print: Perception as Truth Comment of the Day Is Zillow Using Our Homes as Bait? Zillow Tales: Where do you want to Start? Property Shark in Zillow Waters Dear Arizona: Zillow May be a Dog, But it is not a Poodle Is Zillow Q&#38;A Lookie Loo Heaven or Lisitng Agent Hell? The Human Listing Site: Zillowfying Your Privacy Under the Guise of Transparency Redfin &#38; Zillow: Stats of a Feather [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Is Zillow Using Our Homes As Bait? - sellsius real estate blog - real estate, blogging, business, advertising, marketing, and technology</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-77118</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Zillow Using Our Homes As Bait? - sellsius real estate blog - real estate, blogging, business, advertising, marketing, and technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 02:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor’s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act (warning: selltoon) Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner’s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World’s First “Unzillowable” Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses… Zillow, Dem’s Fightin’ Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimate Truth Zillow’s Real Prey: It’s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association Zillow Ultimate Poll (the only Zillow poll, as far as we know) Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers  Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Did Zillow Actually Listen To Sellsius? Discrimination by Zestimation: The Law of Unintended Consequences Has Zillow Spiked the Google Juice? Is Zillow Betaproof? I See, Said the Blind Man to the Deaf Lady Mining The Elusive Unzillowable Realtor.com v. Zillow Video Realtor’s Allan Dalton calls Zillow Carnival Act (warning: selltoon) Sellsius Conversation with NCRC The Truth Is: Zillow has a Right To Exist Unzestimate My Home: Will Zillow Let Owner’s Opt Out? Unzillowable, To Coin A Phrase Will Listing Your Home Above the Zestimate Turn Away Buyers? World’s First “Unzillowable” Listing Z-Day: Z for Zendetta Zillow Confesses… Zillow, Dem’s Fightin’ Words Zillow Housing Reports: The Statistical Lie of Estimate Truth Zillow’s Real Prey: It’s Not Brokers Zillow: Truth by Association Zillow Ultimate Poll (the only Zillow poll, as far as we know) Zillow Poll Results Zillow Zapped with FTC Complaint Zoophole: Only Humans Have to Post Conspicuous Disclaimers  Will Zillow Let Listing Owners Opt-out now? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dont&#8217; fire your real estate agent yet&#8230; &#124; CREN BLoG</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-51655</link>
		<dc:creator>Dont&#8217; fire your real estate agent yet&#8230; &#124; CREN BLoG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is a post from the Sellsius Blog about a poll done by Zillow. Results show pretty conclusively that in general, people don&#8217;t trust the price estimates that Zillow puts out, and wouldn&#8217;t make a decision simply based that information. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Here is a post from the Sellsius Blog about a poll done by Zillow. Results show pretty conclusively that in general, people don&#8217;t trust the price estimates that Zillow puts out, and wouldn&#8217;t make a decision simply based that information. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Charleston Real Estate Blog : An old Zillow poll and looking into the future</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-23864</link>
		<dc:creator>Charleston Real Estate Blog : An old Zillow poll and looking into the future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just below is an informal poll at sellsius&#176;&#160;from Labor Day, as of today, I suspect the trust of Zillow will increase significantly but&#160;remember, it is just an (Z)estimate. 1. As a Seller, do you Trust Zillow&#8217;s Zestimate?Votes: 67Yes: 25%No: 75%2. As a Buyer, do you Trust Zillow&#8217;s Zestimate?Votes: 65Yes: 25%No: 75%Please read moreArdell DellaLoggia&#160;from Rain City Guide weighs in with her wonderful sense of humor and great insight. Zillow.com Announces Major UpgradeI&#39;ve already written about the new features on Zillow.com, whereby a homeowner or agent can upload their homes for sale, or tempt the buying public with a &#34;Make Me Move&#34; price for people whose home is NOT for sale.&#160; I can&#39;t wait to see what people put into that feature.&#160; I wonder if you can ask for things besides money?&#160; Like YES, I will move, but only if you...Please read more&#160;Finally, Kevin Boer from Three Oceans Real Estate with his outstanding take on the future of Real Estate and Web 2.0.Wow! You leave for an hour, and Zillow changes the worldI stepped out for an hour...I came back...and the world, or at least my little piece of it, had changed, courtesy of Zillow&#39;s upcoming product release.Please read more&#160;As to approximately 25% of the small sampling rating Zillow as better than an agent several months ago, with the recent announcement, there are several items that should be pointed out. I went to Zillow to claim my house and set a make me move (MMM)&#160;price, why not? I&#39;ll always sell!&#160;I live in a very well known subdivision that started construction in 2001 and now has approximately 400 homes. Zillow could not find my street (built 2004) or even my neighborhood. I would suggest that Zillow will need to provide much more accurate information but&#160;all real estate agents had better sharpen our consultative skills and be prepared for the empowered world.  Published Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:01 PM by Howard Arnoff Filed under: Real Estate, Technology [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Just below is an informal poll at sellsius&deg;&nbsp;from Labor Day, as of today, I suspect the trust of Zillow will increase significantly but&nbsp;remember, it is just an (Z)estimate. 1. As a Seller, do you Trust Zillow&rsquo;s Zestimate?Votes: 67Yes: 25%No: 75%2. As a Buyer, do you Trust Zillow&rsquo;s Zestimate?Votes: 65Yes: 25%No: 75%Please read moreArdell DellaLoggia&nbsp;from Rain City Guide weighs in with her wonderful sense of humor and great insight. Zillow.com Announces Major UpgradeI&#39;ve already written about the new features on Zillow.com, whereby a homeowner or agent can upload their homes for sale, or tempt the buying public with a &quot;Make Me Move&quot; price for people whose home is NOT for sale.&nbsp; I can&#39;t wait to see what people put into that feature.&nbsp; I wonder if you can ask for things besides money?&nbsp; Like YES, I will move, but only if you&#8230;Please read more&nbsp;Finally, Kevin Boer from Three Oceans Real Estate with his outstanding take on the future of Real Estate and Web 2.0.Wow! You leave for an hour, and Zillow changes the worldI stepped out for an hour&#8230;I came back&#8230;and the world, or at least my little piece of it, had changed, courtesy of Zillow&#39;s upcoming product release.Please read more&nbsp;As to approximately 25% of the small sampling rating Zillow as better than an agent several months ago, with the recent announcement, there are several items that should be pointed out. I went to Zillow to claim my house and set a make me move (MMM)&nbsp;price, why not? I&#39;ll always sell!&nbsp;I live in a very well known subdivision that started construction in 2001 and now has approximately 400 homes. Zillow could not find my street (built 2004) or even my neighborhood. I would suggest that Zillow will need to provide much more accurate information but&nbsp;all real estate agents had better sharpen our consultative skills and be prepared for the empowered world.  Published Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:01 PM by Howard Arnoff Filed under: Real Estate, Technology [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Zillow vs Consumers: The Search for Truth in a Sea of Madness at sellsius° real estate blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-19544</link>
		<dc:creator>Zillow vs Consumers: The Search for Truth in a Sea of Madness at sellsius° real estate blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We ran a Zillow poll and some voters do trust zestimates. Are none of these voters average? But the issue of consumer deception is, in the end, a legal notion created by our democratic republic. Disagree with the law, as is your right, but the law is what we must answer to. The question is now before an administrative body, the FTC. It is not before a court of law. It is not a criminal proceeding. Now or later, the truth will come out for consumers&#8217; sake. Unfortunately, the din raised by NCRC&#8217;s racial claims has drowned out the issue consumers, and professionals who serve these consumers, are entitled to have answered. Does Zillow.com illegally mislead? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] We ran a Zillow poll and some voters do trust zestimates. Are none of these voters average? But the issue of consumer deception is, in the end, a legal notion created by our democratic republic. Disagree with the law, as is your right, but the law is what we must answer to. The question is now before an administrative body, the FTC. It is not before a court of law. It is not a criminal proceeding. Now or later, the truth will come out for consumers&#8217; sake. Unfortunately, the din raised by NCRC&#8217;s racial claims has drowned out the issue consumers, and professionals who serve these consumers, are entitled to have answered. Does Zillow.com illegally mislead? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius°</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillow-poll-results-agents-labor-still-needed/2006/09/01/#comment-13976</link>
		<dc:creator>sellsius°</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vlad

You are TOTALLY RIGHT about access to information.  That's great.  We need to know the "facts".  But zillow takes it a step further by taking those facts (which may be wrong),  giving  a range value &#038; then picking a number in the middle &#038; saying that's the estimated value---even if beds &#038; baths are MISSING. Come on now. That's where the problem is. Think if a person gave you a report &#038; left out your beds &#038; baths &#038; said: hey Vlad your house is worth X.  I dont know what you'd say but Id say WTF you dont even know my beds &#038; baths son. You didn't didn't even look at my house.  How can I trust that number? 

 It's NOT the information Vlad, it's whether is 's correct &#038; what you do with the info.  Should I believe zillow knows what my home value is better than an appraiser or realtor who "comes to my house" &#038; checks it out?  It's that simple.  You can go with zillow, most pros go with pros. We tell it like it is, but you dont have to believe us. It's your choice.


Secondly, Zillow as a "starting point" valuation tool is not a threat to anyone other than appraisers---their job is strictly valuation. How can it be a threat to real estate brokers, title companies &#038; attorneys? Buying or selling a house has a beginning, a middle and an end.  You can't negotiate, sign a contract, get a loan &#038; close on a house armed with just a zestimate under your arm.  You need people--professionals are best unless you know what you're doing.  So I don't see the threat.  Valuing property is not all a pro does---I think you know that.

Besides, no real estate broker or blogger I've read says don't use zillow.  
They all seem to say there is something BETTER because number crunching a house value with public data is imperfect &#038; can result in a value that's way way off. Plus there are unzilowable factors the computer does not pick up from the public data. You must realize this possiblility.  Read the blog comments from people like steve olshin (aug 25 -elvis house valuation post).  

 And what's wrong with people saying one service is preferable to another.  Free speech is still cool isn't it? Coke says it's better than Pepsi---do you write a letter to Pepsi &#038; say hey stop picking on Coke? It's just normal business. Zillow is a big boy---they don't complain--in fact they have a blog just for that reason---to have people complain.  So others choose to make their complaints somewhere else---like on a blog.  What's the difference?

And you should know that public data is not 100% `accurate. I used to work for the government &#038; I can tell you they make mistakes all the time. Have you never complained about your tax assessment being wrong?  That's the info that goes into the zillow calculation.

Bottom Line: Ask yourself this: without looking first, would you sell your house to someone at the zestimate price?   I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vlad</p>
<p>You are TOTALLY RIGHT about access to information.  That&#8217;s great.  We need to know the &#8220;facts&#8221;.  But zillow takes it a step further by taking those facts (which may be wrong),  giving  a range value &#038; then picking a number in the middle &#038; saying that&#8217;s the estimated value&#8212;even if beds &#038; baths are MISSING. Come on now. That&#8217;s where the problem is. Think if a person gave you a report &#038; left out your beds &#038; baths &#038; said: hey Vlad your house is worth X.  I dont know what you&#8217;d say but Id say WTF you dont even know my beds &#038; baths son. You didn&#8217;t didn&#8217;t even look at my house.  How can I trust that number? </p>
<p> It&#8217;s NOT the information Vlad, it&#8217;s whether is &#8217;s correct &#038; what you do with the info.  Should I believe zillow knows what my home value is better than an appraiser or realtor who &#8220;comes to my house&#8221; &#038; checks it out?  It&#8217;s that simple.  You can go with zillow, most pros go with pros. We tell it like it is, but you dont have to believe us. It&#8217;s your choice.</p>
<p>Secondly, Zillow as a &#8220;starting point&#8221; valuation tool is not a threat to anyone other than appraisers&#8212;their job is strictly valuation. How can it be a threat to real estate brokers, title companies &#038; attorneys? Buying or selling a house has a beginning, a middle and an end.  You can&#8217;t negotiate, sign a contract, get a loan &#038; close on a house armed with just a zestimate under your arm.  You need people&#8211;professionals are best unless you know what you&#8217;re doing.  So I don&#8217;t see the threat.  Valuing property is not all a pro does&#8212;I think you know that.</p>
<p>Besides, no real estate broker or blogger I&#8217;ve read says don&#8217;t use zillow.<br />
They all seem to say there is something BETTER because number crunching a house value with public data is imperfect &#038; can result in a value that&#8217;s way way off. Plus there are unzilowable factors the computer does not pick up from the public data. You must realize this possiblility.  Read the blog comments from people like steve olshin (aug 25 -elvis house valuation post).  </p>
<p> And what&#8217;s wrong with people saying one service is preferable to another.  Free speech is still cool isn&#8217;t it? Coke says it&#8217;s better than Pepsi&#8212;do you write a letter to Pepsi &#038; say hey stop picking on Coke? It&#8217;s just normal business. Zillow is a big boy&#8212;they don&#8217;t complain&#8211;in fact they have a blog just for that reason&#8212;to have people complain.  So others choose to make their complaints somewhere else&#8212;like on a blog.  What&#8217;s the difference?</p>
<p>And you should know that public data is not 100% `accurate. I used to work for the government &#038; I can tell you they make mistakes all the time. Have you never complained about your tax assessment being wrong?  That&#8217;s the info that goes into the zillow calculation.</p>
<p>Bottom Line: Ask yourself this: without looking first, would you sell your house to someone at the zestimate price?   I think not.</p>
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