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	<title>Comments on: Zillow&#8217;s Bogus Listings: Houses Listed for Sale Without Owners Knowledge</title>
	<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/</link>
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	<pubDate>Tue,  7 Oct 2008 22:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ferrara</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-210689</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ferrara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To David G:

"This marketing for homes and agents is free, so it’s no surprise that as of this writing we have more than 7,700 of them and growing"

--Rich Barton, December 12, 2006

hmm..  marketing... sure sounds like advertising to me, David.

Barton also says 70% of "for sale postings" come from agents and 30% come from owners-- gee, it sure seems like somebody over there knows this stat. Funny that you guys in the trenches don't have access to it :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To David G:</p>
<p>&#8220;This marketing for homes and agents is free, so it’s no surprise that as of this writing we have more than 7,700 of them and growing&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Rich Barton, December 12, 2006</p>
<p>hmm..  marketing&#8230; sure sounds like advertising to me, David.</p>
<p>Barton also says 70% of &#8220;for sale postings&#8221; come from agents and 30% come from owners&#8211; gee, it sure seems like somebody over there knows this stat. Funny that you guys in the trenches don&#8217;t have access to it <img src='http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5zyjg5" >http://tinyurl.com/5zyjg5</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ferrara</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-210673</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ferrara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have nailed it John. It may come to lawsuits for homeowners to take back their homes from Zillow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have nailed it John. It may come to lawsuits for homeowners to take back their homes from Zillow.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-210663</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think, can you begin to imagine a disgruntled homeowner who's home has not sold, finding it listed on Zillow for a much lower price, taking a low offer and suing Zillow for the difference between the offer and the listed market value.

With enough litigants, Zillow will be dead.

Coffee shop talk and gossip drove down the value of Bear Sterns in a matter of weeks, so what could Zillow do to your home, neighborhood, housing development or city.  Municipalities, homeowner associations and developers should be consulting with their trusted legal councils, right now, with a sharp eye on liability and damages.

Could Zillow be damaging our USA real estate market?  As the Fed looks for sacpegoats.... it's open hunting season!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think, can you begin to imagine a disgruntled homeowner who&#8217;s home has not sold, finding it listed on Zillow for a much lower price, taking a low offer and suing Zillow for the difference between the offer and the listed market value.</p>
<p>With enough litigants, Zillow will be dead.</p>
<p>Coffee shop talk and gossip drove down the value of Bear Sterns in a matter of weeks, so what could Zillow do to your home, neighborhood, housing development or city.  Municipalities, homeowner associations and developers should be consulting with their trusted legal councils, right now, with a sharp eye on liability and damages.</p>
<p>Could Zillow be damaging our USA real estate market?  As the Fed looks for sacpegoats&#8230;. it&#8217;s open hunting season!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ferrara</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-210491</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ferrara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not have said it better Mike.  Thanks.

I always found it curious that Rich Barton would make that coffee shop gossip analogy (as if anyone wants gossip about them permanently on the web), but then again, he made the analogy of Zillow to the Kelley Blue Book (remember that?), when cars are more or less standardized commodities (ever see a car with a solarium?) and homes are as personal and unique as people, in most cases.  

Interestingly, Zillow dropped the Kelley Blue Book analogy (to their credit, I might add) which acknowledged, I think, the validity of the argument that homes are not commodities subject to valuation like cars, especially when valuation (zestimates) are posted without a visit to the home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not have said it better Mike.  Thanks.</p>
<p>I always found it curious that Rich Barton would make that coffee shop gossip analogy (as if anyone wants gossip about them permanently on the web), but then again, he made the analogy of Zillow to the Kelley Blue Book (remember that?), when cars are more or less standardized commodities (ever see a car with a solarium?) and homes are as personal and unique as people, in most cases.  </p>
<p>Interestingly, Zillow dropped the Kelley Blue Book analogy (to their credit, I might add) which acknowledged, I think, the validity of the argument that homes are not commodities subject to valuation like cars, especially when valuation (zestimates) are posted without a visit to the home.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Farmer</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-210451</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The coffee shop analogy bothers me. If Zillow plans on becoming a reflection of coffee shop chatter, I'm not sure serious advertisers are going to want to be associated.

On one hand, it's admirable to aspire to transparency, but you'd better be prepared for the consequences when what is made transparent is ugly, false or, even worse, malicious and open to litigation. Privacy issues are in many ways more imortant than the zeal for transparency.

Web 2.0 needs to be careful not to be blinded by a popular buzz word like "transparency" without thinking what it's full ramifications can mean.

I might think it's a good idea to make my neighbor's amorous activities transparent by posting it all on my blog, but upon second thought, I think I'll refrain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The coffee shop analogy bothers me. If Zillow plans on becoming a reflection of coffee shop chatter, I&#8217;m not sure serious advertisers are going to want to be associated.</p>
<p>On one hand, it&#8217;s admirable to aspire to transparency, but you&#8217;d better be prepared for the consequences when what is made transparent is ugly, false or, even worse, malicious and open to litigation. Privacy issues are in many ways more imortant than the zeal for transparency.</p>
<p>Web 2.0 needs to be careful not to be blinded by a popular buzz word like &#8220;transparency&#8221; without thinking what it&#8217;s full ramifications can mean.</p>
<p>I might think it&#8217;s a good idea to make my neighbor&#8217;s amorous activities transparent by posting it all on my blog, but upon second thought, I think I&#8217;ll refrain.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ferrara</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-210435</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ferrara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an extremely good point, Marlow. 

There is indeed a risk in increasing your property taxes by increasing your home value on Zillow. And consider what excuse you'll have when the assessor says "Hey, Mr. Owner, you input the data to increase the value, not us."

I believe Zillow's Rich Barton did not update and increase his home's zestimate until just before he put it up for sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an extremely good point, Marlow. </p>
<p>There is indeed a risk in increasing your property taxes by increasing your home value on Zillow. And consider what excuse you&#8217;ll have when the assessor says &#8220;Hey, Mr. Owner, you input the data to increase the value, not us.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe Zillow&#8217;s Rich Barton did not update and increase his home&#8217;s zestimate until just before he put it up for sale.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlow</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-210407</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my concerns is that the tax assessor will start using Z. to check property values.  When asked it they'd use Zillow to assess property, our local tax assessor said they would use any information available to ascertain property values, and did not rule out the use of this data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my concerns is that the tax assessor will start using Z. to check property values.  When asked it they&#8217;d use Zillow to assess property, our local tax assessor said they would use any information available to ascertain property values, and did not rule out the use of this data.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-209630</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be some way to confirm that the homes on the site are actually for sale.  I had a homeowner call me recently regarding a home I had listed on Zillow that has long closed.  Its closed out everywhere and was for some reason renewed on Zillow.  The homeowner realized this as people were driving by his home slowly, then someone must have told him. I am surprised that it renewed and didn't just drop off from Zillow.  This dates back to November of 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be some way to confirm that the homes on the site are actually for sale.  I had a homeowner call me recently regarding a home I had listed on Zillow that has long closed.  Its closed out everywhere and was for some reason renewed on Zillow.  The homeowner realized this as people were driving by his home slowly, then someone must have told him. I am surprised that it renewed and didn&#8217;t just drop off from Zillow.  This dates back to November of 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ferrara</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-209480</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ferrara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment rescued from spam.

By: Robert Lawrence

Great detective work on this.  I wonder what would happen if more homeowners knew what Zillow was doing?  I would never have known about this without your article, again thank you for this.
Warm Regards,
Rob
http://www.battlecall.com</description>
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<p>By: Robert Lawrence</p>
<p>Great detective work on this.  I wonder what would happen if more homeowners knew what Zillow was doing?  I would never have known about this without your article, again thank you for this.<br />
Warm Regards,<br />
Rob<br />
<a href="http://www.battlecall.com" >http://www.battlecall.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ferrara</title>
		<link>http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/zillow/zillows-bogus-listings-houses-listed-for-sale-without-owners-knowledge/2008/04/05/#comment-209479</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ferrara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Boomer. If Zillow were to police stranger listings, they could have all sorts of liability problems.  So the easy way is to let the community do it, which they don't and can't.  This neglect to police, as I see it, is itself a basis for liability if a homeowner suffers any loss or damage because of Zillow's "let stranger's post homes for sale" and "let the community flag" program. Time will tell.

Zillow wants homes listed for sale and has decided that, if the homeowner, or agent, doesn't do it, we'll let some other professional do it and reward them by letting them put their contact info on the house-- for why else is the contact info necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Boomer. If Zillow were to police stranger listings, they could have all sorts of liability problems.  So the easy way is to let the community do it, which they don&#8217;t and can&#8217;t.  This neglect to police, as I see it, is itself a basis for liability if a homeowner suffers any loss or damage because of Zillow&#8217;s &#8220;let stranger&#8217;s post homes for sale&#8221; and &#8220;let the community flag&#8221; program. Time will tell.</p>
<p>Zillow wants homes listed for sale and has decided that, if the homeowner, or agent, doesn&#8217;t do it, we&#8217;ll let some other professional do it and reward them by letting them put their contact info on the house&#8211; for why else is the contact info necessary.</p>
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